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. more high level meetings today. treasury secretary tim geithner, kind of obama's negotiator man at the table. see if they can make any headway. >>> art, later this half hour, she's 50, he's 26. demi moore has a new younger man in her life. who she is dating now coming up "the skinny." interesting choice. seeing how the last relationship turned out. >> all you need to know his last name is schnabel. >> not making that up. we are not making that up. >> no. >>> but first, we begin with breaking news, powerball officials are making it official this morning. two jackpot tickets sold for last night's lottery, one in missouri and one in arizona. >> missouri and arizona. congratulations. get this. by the time of the drawing the jackpot was worth $580 million. so we should mention the winning numbers right now, here they are, 5, 16, 22, 23, 29, and the powerball, my personal favorite number, 6. abc's steve osunsami got an inside look at where the winners were picked. >> reporter: buying lottery tickets like never before, more than 189 million powerball tickets sold in this final rush. >>
in it. we're used to obama negotiating from a position of compromise first. this is clearly -- >> that's just not true. that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> no, that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> i've been hearing since the election, oh, the president has to be tougher this time. where was everybody the first two years of his presidency where he shoved his health care plan down republicans' throat? he made sure he got it without a single vote. is that compromise? >> i don't want to get sidetracked -- i could, i guess. with respect to this, though, it seems pretty clear to me that what we're going to end up have happening here is that republicans now will come back and say one of two things. one, rip all the stimulus out of this proposal, and that includes mortgage relief, the $50 billion that you talked about. that includes all the additional spending in there. and then we can start talking. or two, let's get that $1.6 trillion in tax hikes down closer to $800 billion in tax hikes. and either way, boehner gets to go back to his caucus and say, i scored ver
and negotiations are about deficit reduction. president obama thinks they're about fairness. most americans, solid majority, want to see taxes raised on those upper income americans, even though only 19% think it will have much of an impact on deficits. it's not about the fiscal crisis. it's about fairness in the minds of most americans. president obama understands that and republicans don't. >> is that because in your polling day, i always thought that people favored spending reduction and favored smaller government. this may be a mistake that the gop has not emphasized spending cuts. >> they certainly do. most people -- two out of three people want to see a deal that includes both tax hikes and spending cuts. they want to see more spending cuts, but they don't expect spending cuts to come out of this no matter what happens. in fact, the one thing that most people in the middle class believe is that regardless of whether we go over the fiscal cliff or whether a deal is reached to avert that, middle class taxes are going up, and so is spending. so there's a lot of cynicism in this process. >> real
on the fiscal cliff. geithner is president obama's lead negotiator in the budget talks. he'll first meet with harry reid at 10:00 followed by john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan. geithner will lunch with mitch mcconnell and then he'll meet with house minority leader nancy pelosi. president obama is signaling he's flexible on where tax rate shoes go if the wealthiest americans. return to clinton era tax rates would have house holds playing between 36% to nearly 40%. the president met with a group of ceos wednesday. they offered support for resolving the fiscal cliff crisis with a proposal that includes higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. >> at this point both sides have acknowledged that there is going to be revenue concessions and there will be entitlement concessions. in fact if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in the business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> interesting. bill ford jr. agrees with blankfein saying he's con
. obama's unlikely negotiator, read the headlines. another wrote that mr. geithner plans to step down in january and the fact that he selected him shows how much the president has come to rely on him. >> the huffington post if you were to go to their website has this to add to their story about the proposal itself from tim geithner saying the proposal wasn't new. that have it was presented earlier this month by the president at the white house. host: so again, to reiterate what the proposal is. and like i said, over the course of the next half-hour we'll show you highlights. but it called for $1.6 trillion in new revenues and an extension of the social security tax, one-year deferral of sequest vacation and stimulus spending with at least $50 billion in the first year an increase in the debt limit that would change the law for congressional approval. we'll show you more but let's hear from you. duluth, minnesota. hello. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. my comment is about the fiscal cliff and social security, i don't really think that social security has really ever b
of democrats on the hill felt that in the past president obama has negotiated with himself rather than forced the republicans to come forward with their own deal, and republicans have yet to come forward with a deal. martha: that's a fair point. >> what the president's staff said yesterday, was, you know the president has already had a trillion dollars in cuts made under his terms. he wants to see from the republicans if they are willing to do something significant in terms of those revenue increases. we had the broad outlines of a possible deal, because what speaker of the house john boehner said he wants in the neighborhood of 400 billion. obama is asking for 1.6 trillion. you can see somewhere in the middle as a possible negotiating or compromise point. >> we should remind everybody the president has been talking about entitlement reform for four years. "the washington post" reminded them this might ab good time to lead because you're the president. martha: it feels like there is a real opportunity here for some history-making leadership and we'll see if we get it. thank you so much. mary
hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmaker. i suspect that, from folks that i've talked to, eric cantor will not be a thorn in boehner's side. eric cantor realizes he has time, niece his 40s, he wants to be the first jewish speaker of the house. sit back, relax, you know what? if boehner becomes unpopular you don't have to lead a charge against him. you can say, well, that's too bad, john, you don't have the support. but he doesn't have to do anything, he can sit back. >> on positive way, it's not mitt romney's loss as obama's win which has helped him. they're bedfellows now. they've have to negotiate from a different perspective. >> what's shocked me there's this
the way they're actually negotiating. you know, i will remind you, during the obama care negotiations and back and forth between congress and the president, it was a pretty fascinating thing to air when the president sat down with congress and had his exchange with paul ryan over the intricacies of obama care. it was useful. this could be useful as well. >> i actually agree with will, l.z. i think it would be a real education for people. >> for what people? us. we're the ones that are into this kind of stuff. the american people, they're not. think about the number of people who still think president obama was not born in this country. think about the number of people who believe that president obama is not a christian despite the amount of information we tell them over and over again. they still hold on to their partisan values and thoughts. that's why i don't think this will be productive. because it doesn't really matter how much facts you give people. they're going to believe what they want to believe. >> i just saw the movie "lincoln." that gave me more faith in america. >> i saw
americans. president obama sent his top negotiator to the treasury secretary. tim geithner to capitol hill today. he met with leaders of both parties. republicans say they made no progress. and surprise, each party blames the other. >> the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and, secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we have said it, we have said it, we have said it so many times the president said the same thing. it's been weeks, at least two weeks since we met at the white house and are still waiting for a serious offer from the republics. >> shepard: after his meeting with secretary geithner the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said of administration officials quote today they took a step backward moving away from consensus and closer to that cliff. ed henry is live at the white house for us tonight. ed we are getting new information about what tim geithner put on the table today at the hill. >> breaking tonight are these details basical
before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washington. >> mitt romney makes his way to the white house. >> the political power lunch of 2012. >> it's n
of the policy and the delivery and not negotiating. hold on. here is what it is. president obama saying i will ignore all of your requests. they are all mine on the table. you supposed to come back, the republicans and be, bring something to the negotiating table. it's ridiculous. >> eric: this is a negotiating point. >> bob: i want to know the increase in the upper tax rate bothers you so much. >> dana: it's bad policy. >> it is political revenge. pays for 8.5 days for government spending. you don't get anything except for lower productivity of people you ask to create more jobs. that is why. >> he can final it in his base. that is why he is proposing more spending. >> brian: incredible. to see him campaign with tinker toys and angry birds makes us think it's another 4-1/2 years instead of rolling up the sleeves and get the deal done. he goes to pennsylvania -- >> andrea: a small business. which is so ironic. the same group of businesses that are hit hardest by the tax increase. >> eric: i don't know if we outlined the deal that geithner proposed. $1.6 trillion. $1.6 trillion in the tax
tonight in the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans are pushing back hard. against president obama and the democrats over what will be in whatever deal they craft to avoid the implementation of the automatic spending cuths and tax increases. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with details. good evening, ed. >> tonight we have new details of exactly what treasury secretary geithner laid out to republicans in the big meeting earlier today is. the republican aides tell mike emanuel there was a lot of detail about the new tax increases. $1.6 trillion in new tax increases from the new rate, capital gain, dividends as well. new spending, starting with $50 billion next year. the white house is countering that is leftover stuff from the president american jobs act. not really spending. nonetheless, the republican aides on the hill saying this is a nonstarter to them. white house aide i just spoke to said that this is not new. this is the president's original budget framework going to september of 2011. they say inside the white house tonight the real problem is the republican
it for president obama because they want the negotiations to found. howard dean said this is the best deal progressive democrats are going to get. if the fiscal cliff and the deal and what happens if we go off of the cliff. it really is a dnplatform. higher taxs and defense spending and isn't that what their platform said. they want to go off of the fiscal cliff. then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. lookin
to negotiate with stupidity. they need to shine a spotlight on obama's proposal to ensure that the american people know how insane this is. and fourth, they need to use this as an opportunity to pass their own agenda. >> stephanie: so let's review. the president is stupid however he ran and won those on proposals. >> yeah, right. and what party that loses the election doesn't pass their agenda during a lame duck session? it is so obvious. but media matters had a good item last week about the right wing media. is absolutely encouraging and if not threatening republicans to do not negotiate with obama. do not even -- you know, no compromise. no good will effort at all. you don't have to do a thing. this is his problem. and republican parties should just sit back and even though, you know, that message didn't do so well on election day, that is what the rush limbaughs of the world are sticking to. >> stephanie: here he is, your friend, charles krauthammer. >> as a matter of policy, it does absolutely nothing
. the starting point today, the negotiator. the president sending timothy geithner to capitol hill in hopes of getting the fiscal cliff deal done before everyone's taxes go up. >> consolation lunch? president obama visits mitt romney to the white house today and everyone is buzzing about it. could obama offer him a job? >> congratulations to someone. you just won the gdp of a small nation. not just one but two winning tickets in last night's record powerball drawing. we'll tell you where. >> and if they will be my best friend soon. we have a packed show. john ba, rasso, adam shif, rick warren, tom cole, connie and mary bono mack and steven holcomb. >> we have so many people coming up. it is thursday, november 2. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. our starting point this morning, developments happening now in cairo. the u.s. embassy there is closed. no one is being allowed in or out as we speak. >> embassy officials say protesters are blocking the entrance and clashes are happening near nearby. reza sayah is nearby for us. what's happening? >> reporter: there is n
? >> it is interesting if you look at the negotiations that president obama offered this massive tax increase with no concessions and this sort of outrageous request on the debt limit which was a really aggressive first offer. and then the republican s countered with a moderate reasonable plan exactly modeled after a proposal by erskine bowles. so if you're trying to handicap the negotiations, you'd have to concede that dana is on to something. >> really. so -- >> at least like the starting point. so basically the starting point for the republicans is what president obama probably would have viewed as a victory if they had the negotiation. >> yeah, he wanted another 400 supposed supposedly. how does simpson-bowles get to -- how does it raise revenue? what's the number that it raises? >> well, it depends because they have a bunch of different simpson-bowles plans. like in the bowles-simpson report, there are three different tax plans and then the thing that the republicans modeled after was something that bowles said in a hearing. >> it's interesting when you look at what these plans are laid
narrative of punishing success. what role is mitch mcconnell going to serve in these negotiations at all? >> he'll play a very key role. although you really have to keep in mind the final deal is really going to be struck between president obama and speaker boehner. and those are really the two people to watch. and their staffs right now. of course, mitch mcconnell will play a key role in bringing around senate republicans, excuse me. but it's really between the house republicans and the white house at this point. you know, we have to watch and see what they do. i think there's a lot of public posturing. but i do think that all these people have been at this table before. they're very familiar with the contours of what they will agree to from the debt ceiling negotiations. and so it's really just a matter of getting closer and closer to that deadline, having the markets start to freak out and then realizing that they have to come up with something. >> seems like there's a lot of public theater going on with this one. >> quickly on michael's point, if the mandates for compromise, accusing
. >>> president obama made the opening bid in the fiscal cliff negotiation sending his plan to capitol hill on thursday. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in new spending. but house republicans, surprise-surprise, say democrats aren't being serious. >> the president has warned us about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, associate editor and columnist for the hill amy stoddard, danielle gibbs, and columnist for bloomberg view and national review and one of the funnier people on twitter and he did not pay me to say that but i will start with you. so we kind of feel like we're back to square one. should republicans having seen them lose the presidency by a wider margin than many people thought lose seats in the senate which i don't think almost anybody -- unless you're a loyal democrat thought, and lose seats, though, to keep control of the house three and a half weeks ago. should they be more w
in motion by the same two people who are negotiating this deal. president obama and speaker boehner. >> i had the opportunity to ask secretary geithner in may in a hearing in the financial services committee in the house if he could name a state. we have 50 states. if he could name one state that had higher economic growth than a state that had lower taxes and less regulation. he could not name a state. yet what he's proposing is higher taxes and more regulation. that's what this administration has done over the past four years. we have two massive laws that are breaks on the economy. 2010 health law. affordable care act. well intentioned but -- >> will republicans raise taxes? there's two chess movesky s ki see as a lowly voter. >> i won't. but this is -- this is where leadership counts. and so speaker boehner needs to work with the conference to find republicans that are willing to go along with that. >> are you going to raise taxes? >> look, it depends on what you mean by raising taxes. >> on the top 2% of the wealthy people, you say you pay instead of 35%, we're going to put you at 37
not be out the road campaigning but back here in washington negotiating. >> dan, i will ask you to look into your crystal ball. president obama is meeting with mitt romney later today. do you have any idea what they plan to discuss? >> you know, there's a lot of speculation about governor romney playing a role in the administration. but the president himself, during his victory speech after he was re-elected talked about wanting to sit down with mitt romney to talk about ways of moving the country forward. during his post re-election news conference, the president was asked about what roles he could play or if -- what the president hoped to gain from him. the president talked about how mitt romney did a good job with the olympics, and he thought in turning around the olympics, some of that could be used to streamline government and make it more user friendly. that's what we expect for the president to be discussing with mitt romney when they sit down today for lunch at the white house. of course everyone is speculating about some possible role he could play in this white house. it's int
. >> reporter: meanwhile with the so-called fiscal cliff looming, president obama sends his chief negotiator, tim geithner, to capitol hill today for individual meetings with each member of the congressional leadership, including speaker boehner. wednesday, mr. obama brought back a campaign atmosphere, surrounding himself with what he called average middle class families to ramp-up pressure on republicans. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> reporter: the president wants congress to extend the bush tax rates for those making less than $250,000, but let taxes go up for everyone else. he's taking that message on the road friday to pennsylvania. not to be outdone on the pr front, house republicans hosted a group of nervous business leaders who have signed on to a campaign called "fix the debt" who want spending cuts to supplement the tax hikes. >> we put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by serious spending cuts to avert this crisis. >> reporter: and as the president gets set to change up
john boehner. of course boehner will be key to moving the needle on these fiscal cliff negotiations. this comes on the heels of a phone call between president obama and speaker boehner which occurred credit. my sources are telling me the phone call lasted for about a half an hour. politico described it as curt, but may sources say that's not necessarily the case. so of course treasury secretary tim geithner coming in to the hill trying to move the needle on the fiscal cliff and we're hearing that there are sort of broad outlines of a framework emerging. but of course they really need to put some meat on the bones. what does that mean in terms of increasing taxes and cutting medicare. to those are some of the issues being hammered out today. >> kristen, thank you so much. so as we said, it is tim geithner's day on the hill. is this a sign that talks are being accelerating or hitting stumbling blocks? joining me now senator kent conrad. sir, great to have you here. we showed the headline at the top of the show, from politico, the fiscal framework emerging. are the contours of the deal
of this negotiation. >> eamon javers, thank you. >>> john harwood has the latest on mr. obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a catastrophic standoff in mid 2011 that caused the downgrade in u.s. credit. president said he's simply not going to negotiate in the negotiating process that results in the same kind of stand-off. here is the president. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation? which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game because we've got to break that habit bef
inserted himself into the peace agreement between israel and hamas. >> he negotiated a cease-fire between israel and hamas, the words were not out of president obama's mouth praising him for this, offering to help him with half a billion dollars of aid, convincing the imf to give him almost $5 billion of aid and what did morsi do? e seized all the controls of power. already got the parliament and the presidency, put his guys in the military and taking over. connell: in the old days they used to say hosni mubarak was not the best guy in the world but the u.s. can work with him. what about now? >> that is an important difference to make because he was a dictator, hosni mubarak was that he was our guy, pro-american and kept peace with israel. the new guy is a dictator too but not necessarily our guy. not necessarily pro-american. he is part of the muslim brotherhood which is a movement going through the entire middle east now, hijacking the arabs spring and they are anti-american, anti israeli and islamist. dagen: why not pull our funding from the country? >> what we should do is say to them
of negotiations not been accepted. wolf, the backdrop is the u.s. tried hard to lobby to stop this from happening. it still went down. some diplomats see it as an embarrassment to president obama. last year a threat of a u.s. veto stopped the palestinians from getting what they really wanted, which was full membership. this is u.n. different terminology. they're getting closer to a state, some say symbolic and others say opens to the u.n. international criminal court where the palestinians could go after israeli soldiers or vice ver versa. >> once they have a final vote, richard, let us know. gaining status at the u.n. as a nonmember observer state gives the palestinians access to other important global organizations including as richard mentioned the international criminal court here in washington at the same time a bipartisan group of u.s. senators warned they might cut off u.s. aid to the palestinians if they were ever to use that access to make trouble for israel. listen to this. >> it won't be very long until the palestinians begin to use the u.n. as a club against israel rather than seeking
there at the white house. martha. martha: a little more background on this now. budget negotiations with congressional leaders started a few weeks ago really with president obama calling for that $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue over 10 years that you just heard about from john boehner. treasury secretary tim geithner argues that you can not raise enough revenue to reduce the deficit by only doing the loopholes and the tax breaks. and that is the major priority for republicans in this but some senior republican aides said they believe along with spending cuts, compromise would generate about a trillion dollars in new tax revenue, possibly from in parting those tax deductions. bill: where do we go, huh, martha? martha: good question. bill: congressman that broke ranks on one item is with us in 25 minutes. today he has a strong message directed at the white house and president obama. congressman tom colatosti out of oklahoma a bit later here on "america's newsroom.". that is 22 minutes away. martha: we brought you this breaking news on friday and now there's new fallout from th
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
the budget proposal from last year, a plan republicans called a nonstarter. you can expect president obama to take more trips like the one he is making today to try to move the needle on these negotiations. willie? >> kristen welker at the white house. david gregory, moderator of "meet the press." good morning. >> good morning. >> if looking for reason to be optimistic a deal will be done, yesterday was not your day. by most accounts, treasury secretary tim geithner laughed off capitol hill literally by mitch mcconnell, john boehner says the white house offer is not serious. is this a breakdown in negotiation or the first steps in what will be a month of negotiation? >> the worst thing to watch on capitol hill is the progress of the negotiations because it is going to be a lot of huffing and puffing on both sides, posturing. the white house feels the president is in a very strong position to play the high cards in terms of tax increases, that's what he wants, that's what the american people said they wanted. look at the exit poll, the president feels that confidence. on the other side, the
president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop there, because let's say the white hous
the president's plan. i've done enough negotiations in business to understand who is negotiating in good faith wlorks is moving the goal posts. i think it's time right now for president obama to show the american people his full balanced plan. we haven't seen it. democrats haven't passed a budget in over three years. there's not one democrat that has voted for a plan yet. until republicans see the plan from the president, from democrats, it's very difficult for us to be compromising if anything. right now we're just negotiating with ourselves. that's really a pretty bad negotiating strategy. we should stop doing that, we should be talking about not playing brinkmanship. what we should do is extend all the current rates permanently. that would return certainty to the economy. it would restore confidence. and that's probably the biggest thing we need to do to grow our economy. let's quit having these fiscal cliffs. and let's not be threatening government shut downs. let's sit down in a good faith effort and that's what president obama is not doing. he's back on the campaign trail which will is u
republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where ar
over the fiscal cliff full tilt, either way, you will have a recession and president obama's second term starts on a very negative note for the american economy. >> you put your finger on the problem. the point of having these fiscal cliff negotiations is to avoid what could lead to a recession, to avoid a calamity. the proposal your putting forward leaves you with an even worse position than you are now, what is the purpose of this? stuart: stay there for a second. i want to get the company's opinion on the raising of the debt ceiling. it is and abolition of the debt ceiling so the president and borrow whatever he wants without congressional authority. >> extraordinary power grab like we haven't seen in a long time. washington d.c. has been in bubble bland. we are in a government bubble. washington d.c. is disconnected from the reality of real-estate going up but the issue is washington d.c. things we are on the dot dog, or housing bubble from the bubbles stretching back to the 90s. we are no longer there. stuart: i am frightened by no debt ceiling and a person has the authority, w
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
. the white house, zoraida, after really not being happy with the pace of negotiations a week before last, sent treasury secretary tim geithner to the hill to talk to house republicans and lay out what really has been public, what president obama wants, or at least his opening offer for deficit reduction, about $1.6 trillion in new taxes and significantly less in spending cuts. in entitlement reform, and now you have the white house really sensing that they have some leverage here, saying to house republicans, you know what? you go ahead and you put the meat on the bones when it comes to this really politically precarious part of entitlement which is often construed as cutting entitlements like medicare. here's what tim geithner said. >> we laid out a program of how we do it in what stages with $600 million of spending cuts in ten years over entitlement programs. the thing now is for them to come to us and say here's what we think makes sense. we've told them hat we think makes sense. they have to come tell us. >> so he's drawing a line there in the sand. we also heard over the weekend fr
: or raise the thres hold. >> gretchen: why would the president be in a negotiating position . he won reelection . >> steve: this is behind the scenes. >> brian: leverage we can go back to recession. you cannot blame george bush because he is in dallas. here is president obama yesterday and you heard from charles krauthammer. >> familis and small businesses can enjoy peace of mind heading in christmas and heading in the new year and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits and stream line tax. including asking the wealthiest americans to pay more for education and train science and research. >> any republican who buys this is a fool. republicans have stood for one thing statistically that held them. they are the low tax party. the other guys want to tax to match their reckless spending. if they give it up now in return for nothing, obama wins and high wins big. i understand why the democrats are doing this. they imagine that republicans have no bargaining power today . i say that it is true if republicans resist they
the phone conversation with obama was a little more terse. we went from being down 100 to up 100. we haven't had that kind of swing in over a year. we are laser focused on d.c. and those negotiations as usual. >> brian brings up 2.7 number, steve rattner. i guess you look at the numbers and you compare them to where we were at points in the '80s, the '90s, even 2004, 2005. it may not look good. compare that number to the rest of the world, suddenly the u.s. economy is looking pretty damn good by comparison to other countries. >> it actually feels like the economy is gathering steam. these kind of revisions help you feel that way. sandy is an aberration in the unemployment numbers as brian said. essentially we look at housing, consumer spending. the economy is on a pretty good track. the question is whether we go over the cliff at the end. >> joe, i just will say, there's kind of an underlying sense that if we get the right deal -- and i think all of us sort of know what that includes, that we are kind of spring-loaded for serious growth. the consumers have already spoken in terms of holida
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